tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post184367645565614714..comments2023-09-09T02:38:28.265-05:00Comments on LDS (Mormonism) Deep Doctrine: MasturbationDoug Towershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comBlogger158125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-56986392548017232422012-11-19T19:41:02.940-06:002012-11-19T19:41:02.940-06:00Posted on your blog
Its great to hear you are per...Posted on your blog<br /><br />Its great to hear you are persisting with getting rid of the problem. People have only failed when they give up. Persistence will get anyone there.<br /><br />In reading your comment I would only add that spiritual focus will bring in a new person to help replace the old one. Thoughts of loving and caring relationships will help you enjoy the change.<br /><br />Thanks for the well wishes. And a happy Turkey Day to you.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-64910854036373979062012-11-19T00:13:35.108-06:002012-11-19T00:13:35.108-06:00Thanks for posting this blog entry against masturb...Thanks for posting this blog entry against masturbation. I have struggled with masturbation for a little over a year. I am almost breaking the habit (the past two months I have had one slip up each month). I have come a long way and am proud of myself. Still have a little ways to go. It is hard but I know I can stop for good. I am tempted sometimes but it feels great when I resist and that temptation fades away. I am really aiming for my last slip up to be the last. Masturbation is addictive, enslaving and deceitful. Part of my problem was self-treating my depression and anxiety with masturbation which is not effective. Self-stimulation only made my anxiety and depression worse. Sorry for my long comment. Happy Turkey Day to you this week.Posted on your blog before in disagreement but now I agree with some thingsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-75836202190893811142012-08-10T19:40:00.516-05:002012-08-10T19:40:00.516-05:00Kim
I'm glad the message has reached out and ...Kim<br /><br />I'm glad the message has reached out and touched you. I wish you well as you persist in making your personal improvements.<br /><br />As you continue in the fight, you will win. Any one can get there with persistence.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-16571114839143963792012-08-09T16:14:04.411-05:002012-08-09T16:14:04.411-05:00I would like to Thank Doug for posting this. For t...I would like to Thank Doug for posting this. For the fact that it made me realize more about why masterbation is wrong. I would also like to Thank CoriAnton for making excuses to why it was ok. I have realized that I have wormed around the truth of why it was bad for so long that I had created loop holes just like CoriAnton. I realize now that it was just me hurting my family, and the ones that I love. If I love myself and have respect for myself, then I need to stop beating around the bush and take the higher road. Thank you again Doug for helping me realize that.Kimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-6462316734288855862012-01-15T18:36:37.345-06:002012-01-15T18:36:37.345-06:00Anonymous
Sorry about the delay on the response: ...Anonymous<br /><br />Sorry about the delay on the response: Internet problems.<br /><br />Let me say in regard the church (and the temple included) that it is a wonderful organisation. Don't misinterpret me there. Whether you are born into the church or find it that can be the way that leads you to eternal life. But it is only a beginning or stepping stone. Not that you should ever leave it. The things taught in it are wonderful. The job of the church is to be there for support, instruction, friendships, ordinances, etc. And these are great.<br /><br />The thing is that it must be remembered that they are also there for people to begin with. They are there for those who are in deep spiritual struggle. They are there for those who have committed serious sins. They are there for those who are new members. They are there to find those who don't know of the truth yet. The church's roll has to be as universal as possible. So it cannot be totally geared to all. The doctrine has to try and cover it all enough to be of some service to all. Yet it must remain simple enough for the nonmember walking in the door.<br /><br />In our growth we must step beyond the foundation (not leaving it) and start to build the walls of our own personal church with God. This requires us to take the Holy Ghost as the guide to our doctrinal position.<br /><br /><i>"For they that are wise and have received the truth, and have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide, and have not been deceived - Surely I say to you, they shall not be cut down and cast into the fire, but shall abide the day."</i> D&C 45:57<br /><br />We have to learn and apply the mysteries to get eternal life.<br /><br /><i>"If you shall ask, you shall receive revelation upon revelation, knowledge upon knowlegde, that you may know the mysteries and peaceable things - that which brings joy, that which brings life eternal."</i> D&C 42:61<br /><br />This, to some extent, answers your final question. For a full answer you would have to discuss that with God.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-35754778148844383512012-01-15T17:14:29.373-06:002012-01-15T17:14:29.373-06:00Okay, makes sense. You fail to address my other qu...Okay, makes sense. You fail to address my other questions/thoughts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-41512795300810476592012-01-15T04:09:15.703-06:002012-01-15T04:09:15.703-06:00Anonymous
"Those with literacy problems"...Anonymous<br /><br />"Those with literacy problems" means that I changed the text to fit in with modern English.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-80568722188089490802012-01-14T21:06:06.871-06:002012-01-14T21:06:06.871-06:00You stated: "Our Father in Heaven is looking ...You stated: "Our Father in Heaven is looking out for our interests. If you want the greatest you have to become it: You are what you make yourself. Trust him and you life WILL be happier."<br /><br />I agree with that. I do trust him and God has not told me some things that you are telling me. <br /><br />If these things are so essential why does the Church not teach it? I am a endowed member of the Church but I have never heard these things taught in the temple either. <br /><br />Are you saying if you don't ever practice/reach/believe in celestial sex in this life and/or don't believe that celestial sex is as you explain it- then you won't ever obtain eternal life?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-30855047094031852782012-01-14T20:50:24.828-06:002012-01-14T20:50:24.828-06:00Commandments are for spritiual juvenilles. Interes...Commandments are for spritiual juvenilles. Interesting. Those with literacy problems?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-80242070225026019752012-01-14T18:28:41.033-06:002012-01-14T18:28:41.033-06:00Anonymous
If they really are a beautiful person o...Anonymous<br /><br />If they really are a beautiful person on the outside they may have a vanity problem to overcome. But this may not be the case. Yet to get to the point, there is no reason why they can't be beautiful on the inside also.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-16474715759374014052012-01-14T18:17:47.484-06:002012-01-14T18:17:47.484-06:00Anonymous
Our life with our parents begins with c...Anonymous<br /><br />Our life with our parents begins with commandments to follow.<br /><br />As time goes on those commandments become advice.<br /><br />And eventually parents hope that it is no longer necessary to give advice because we learn to live correctly (if they were righteous parents).<br /><br />Our experiences with our Father in Heaven should be almost the same (though we will always need to learn something).<br /><br /><i>"For see, it is not right that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receives no reward. Surely I say, men should be anxiously engaged in a good cause, and do many things of their own free will, and bring to pass much righteousness."</i> D&C 58:26-27 (altered for those with literacy problems)<br /><br />God makes commandments for those on a Telestial level. It is to bring them up to a Terrestial level. But we are wanting to not only rise even further to a Celestial level, but to, in fact, get to the highest degree within it. I know its a bit heavy, but the reality is that talk of "commandments" is for spiritual juveniles.<br /><br />Our Father in Heaven is looking out for our interests. If you want the greatest you have to become it: You are what you make yourself. Trust him and you life WILL be happier.<br /><br />Talk about putting things off until after the resurrection is like saying, "yeah, I'll do that tomorrow." Those "tomorrows" never come. You set your course every day. Which direction will you make it TODAY?<br /><br />You've asked if I think many will acheive it in this life? The answer is, "no." But I also know how many males will obtain eternal life. And if you asked me if that was many, my answer would be the same.<br /><br />But one thing the Holy Ghost told me many years back in asking about my chances of getting eternal life were, is that they are the same as everyone else's. Its my choice.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-21905040172291612162012-01-14T17:55:03.250-06:002012-01-14T17:55:03.250-06:00I'm probably not asking and saying things righ...I'm probably not asking and saying things right. Let me try again.<br /><br />You stated <br /><br />"I think its nice looking at a pretty female. A bit like looking at a pretty scenic view. The scene can look good on passing, but living up there may be very impractical. There is nothing to compare with what I see inside one of those females I've mentioned. It just leaves the other emotion for dead."<br /><br />So someone we may think is nice to look at, someone we think is pretty or a pretty scenic view- can that same person NOT be just as beautiful on the inside/spiritually?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-30455285293265107152012-01-14T17:44:51.249-06:002012-01-14T17:44:51.249-06:00I know what you are saying. I have worked with tho...I know what you are saying. I have worked with those who are physically disabled and generally considered unattractive on the outside. But, their inner beauty makes them beautiful to me on the outside too (but not in a romantic way. I am married and not interested in polygamy). <br /><br />Think of my question in the superficial way I guess. You know people generally think of beauty on outward appearances. Your views of lust prove that. <br /><br />So, with the lustful/superficial/outward appearances thinking- you agree someone that is physically pretty/appealing on the outside can also be beautiful on the inside?<br /><br />You did not answer my other questions about Celestial sex.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-12897277011619649062012-01-14T17:15:27.690-06:002012-01-14T17:15:27.690-06:00Anonymous
If a female is beautiful on the inside ...Anonymous<br /><br />If a female is beautiful on the inside she can always look beautiful to you if you look using your spirit.<br /><br />If a female is beautiful on the inside you can actually take that forward and show that beauty on the outside. Its very simple. Once you've set that it remains for the whole time you are looking at her. Regardless of how she looks physically she will always look beautiful to you. Even if she is 110 years old. Its an amazing thing.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-64977302293841796752012-01-14T13:51:34.323-06:002012-01-14T13:51:34.323-06:00In regards to celestial sex, not everyone has to a...In regards to celestial sex, not everyone has to achieve that in this life? Do you even think many can even achieve that in this life? I mean you said God has not commanded it, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-15453041943133342512012-01-14T13:49:36.194-06:002012-01-14T13:49:36.194-06:00Do you not think a female can be beautiful on the ...Do you not think a female can be beautiful on the inside and outside?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-48292104454851539052012-01-11T14:35:48.274-06:002012-01-11T14:35:48.274-06:00Anon E. Mous
1. While there are several who have ...Anon E. Mous<br /><br />1. While there are several who have shown a white glowing spirit at times, I can only confirm 2 as definites.<br /><br />2. I've been inspired that I will marry one of them so far, though not yet. I'm not really looking to be inspired that I'll marry any other particular female at this time. I think the idea of plural marriage is a bit heavy for some. Even though people know that I theoretically believe in it. But looking at several real females and me saying I will marry them some day would be a bit too realistic for some.<br /><br />3. So far only 3 have reached what I desire.<br /><br />4. I think its nice looking at a pretty female. A bit like looking at a pretty scenic view. The scene can look good on passing, but living up there may be very impractical. There is nothing to compare with what I see inside one of those females I've mentioned. It just leaves the other emotion for dead.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-30404238789407579762012-01-11T14:10:50.797-06:002012-01-11T14:10:50.797-06:00Of those presently interested in you how many fema...Of those presently interested in you how many females have actually reached what you desire?<br /><br />And how many have you been inspired to marry?<br /><br />How many have ever reached what you are looking for?<br /><br />Don't you feel anything about a female looking pretty?Anon E. Mousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-49731588392548091622012-01-09T02:11:41.421-06:002012-01-09T02:11:41.421-06:00Freemont
Celestial sex has to be built up to. It ...Freemont<br /><br />Celestial sex has to be built up to. It won't happen straight away unless you aren't married at present and have the time to prepare yourself before marriage.<br /><br />Also having the ability to get pregnant immediately requires working up to.<br /><br />My reference to the women I love are those still alive.<br /><br />In regard my dating habits my dating isn't conventional. Though I have recently come to feel I should date someone conventionally to avoid others being confused. I haven't had a normal date since my wife died.<br /><br />Since really accepting to follow Christ and be led by the Holy Spirit at 20 the amount of females interested in me at any one time has expanded and expanded. Also as I changed my understanding of sex and altered my way of feeling this expanded the situation even further.<br /><br />For years now my "love life" has consisted of many females expressing their desire to be with or marry me. I don't put any restriction on anyone, and tell them that I have a standard I desire. And that if they reach that I would be happy to marry them, IF God is in agreement. And when I say I have no restriction I actually mean no restriction. I don't bar any female from friendship with me.<br /><br />Even if the female doesn't make it I guarantee her that by making these changes her life will be improved.<br /><br />Thus I have females ranging from 8 to into their 80's. The 8-year-old's parents have thanked me for my understanding of their daughters feelings. I had this also with twin 10-year-olds whose mother is very thankful of the faith that I am promoting in her daughters (they are now 14) (the father is still trying to come to terms with it).<br /><br />While those are unusual, 13-year-olds and on are quite common. As these females are growing up in the church (for those who are church members) I am glad to be keeping their focus on marrying a church member.<br /><br />Mixed feelings have existed among parents and I have even had one who firmly believed I'd run off with her lovely 15-year-old daughter - A lot of drama there. Her daughter is now well beyond 18 and I still haven't been inspired to marry her though she is quite a catch and loves me quite a lot.<br /><br />As I always say to those parents that are concerned, their daughters come to me, I don't go to them. Nor have I invited the relationship. I have accepted the relationship however. I don't believe in being rude to or hurting them or taking away their self-confidence in romantic situations.<br /><br />Females in the higher ages have sometimes had a successful marriage and are already married for eternity. I accept the friendship but can't really work on establishing an eternal marriage.<br /><br />Many of the ones in between have had quite rocky marriages and haven't really let go of it.<br /><br />In addition to this I also have some young females from outside the church who try to turn me to lust. Unfortunately you can't just have all the good side without the bad. But these things teach me patience and longsuffering.<br /><br />Then there is the fact that in dealing with females there are strange quirks to deal with: Dramas that come along.<br /><br />So my love life is more packed than my writing on the internet.<br /><br />But those who really love me make it all worth while. And of those in the upper bracket I don't sense any jealously. Jealously comes from a sense of desire to control and own.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-60156423788436833872012-01-08T15:41:11.417-06:002012-01-08T15:41:11.417-06:00"I am extremely happy and content with the an..."I am extremely happy and content with the angelic females that are showing interest in me that I truly love inside.<br /><br />They have tremendous love for me and I have tremendous love for them without a single solitary physical touch."<br /><br />So you are in love with multiple women and multiple women are in love with you? Can I ask are you talking humans or spirits? If human, do you date multiple women now? Can I ask how many women? It seems you practice polygamy already in your heart?<br /><br />I think polygamy would be beneficial to especially women. There would be help in raising children and keeping house. There could be deep friendships. All the wives could be best friends. But someone would certainly need to be full of the spirit always for it to harminously work. Also full of the spirit so no jealousy or anger would emerge. And in the polygamy situation I think jealous and anger could easily emerge if not living righteously enough.Freemontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-36448058440100786242012-01-08T15:34:06.999-06:002012-01-08T15:34:06.999-06:00Conclusion and thinking about loud here- celestial...Conclusion and thinking about loud here- celestial sex is sex once or twice a year in addition to ignoring all physical and focusing solely on creating a child and the spiritual. Correct me if I'm wrong.Freemondnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-45132079104790313312012-01-08T14:32:48.239-06:002012-01-08T14:32:48.239-06:00Yes, sex once or twice a year does seem sexual pov...Yes, sex once or twice a year does seem sexual poverty. But celestial sex seems to be strictly once or twice a year. Anything beyond sex for the creation of children is lust, no? So have sex more times a year than a women is capable of being pregnant is lust. With pregnancy being guaranteed every time in celestial sex furthers proves having sex once or twice a year is lust. So its seems either practice celestial sex and have "sexual poverty" or have lust.Freemontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-46121937368326654352012-01-08T05:02:21.863-06:002012-01-08T05:02:21.863-06:00Freemont
The reason people are saying that I'...Freemont<br /><br />The reason people are saying that I'm suffering from sexual poverty isn't to do with plural marriage. It is because I've suggested sex only once or twice a year. A person practising monogamy with sex twice a day is going to get far more then I would unless I had over 7 hundred young wives.<br /><br />As to numbers of wives and children, Jesus promised us that if we observe the principle of consecration he will supply us with our needs (though he will give us difficult times to learn from when necessary).<br /><br />The biggest problem with multiple wives (and monogamy for that matter) is learning how to be an effective husband (for a man). If the man has multiple wives he has to keep harmony and happiness among the wives as well as the children. From a woman's point it is for her to be effective at helping the other wives with their problems, being a loving wife and raising the children.<br /><br />Naturally I'm not suggesting people should practise plural marriage until it is either legal again or the world is in such a mess that no one could care less who was married to whom.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-39583839948523202112012-01-07T20:21:29.490-06:002012-01-07T20:21:29.490-06:00"No. I look more toward the eternal. After al..."No. I look more toward the eternal. After all this life is almost nothing time wise."<br /><br />Agreed. This life is a speck of existence. Eternity is after all eternal.<br /><br />"There isn't a point to having Celestial sex with a woman who can't have a child through that action. That is the whole way Celestial sex works. Its like trying to drive a cart without a horse."<br /><br />So then I take it celestial sex is not possible unless pregnancy is possible.<br /><br />"This could be interpreted into some type of orgy of young maidens. This seems to be taking my idea into the opposite direction from everyone else. They have me in sexual poverty while you have me ragging through a vast collection of young females."<br /><br />Sexual poverty if only one wife. I am only thinking of the more women, the more children produced. But each wife would have to be taken care of throughout her life. Surely each man would have a limit to how many wives he could afford. <br /><br />"For me to have sex once a day would require me to have 365 younger wives if I got one pregnant each time (as I've stated to be possible)."<br /><br />So I take it celestial sex is strictly one time every year during the years of fertility (pregnancy possible each time). Or maybe twice a year because soon afer birth a women can become pregnant again. So strictly no more than twice a year. In the case of polygamy the addition of per wife would be added.Freemontnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-62817989766468213742012-01-07T04:37:07.737-06:002012-01-07T04:37:07.737-06:00Freemont
You've asked _
"Would you only...Freemont<br /><br />You've asked _<br /><br /><i>"Would you only marry a women if she was in her fertile years?"</i><br /><br />No. I look more toward the eternal. After all this life is almost nothing time wise.<br /><br />There isn't a point to having Celestial sex with a woman who can't have a child through that action. That is the whole way Celestial sex works. Its like trying to drive a cart without a horse.<br /><br />You've said _<br /><br /><i>"This celestial sex seems to go along with polygamy. A man can have celestial sex with multiple women until they are past their fertile years and then he stops having sex with women who no longer can have children. He then can have sex with other women in their fertile years. Tons of children are the result."</i><br /><br />This could be interpreted into some type of orgy of young maidens. This seems to be taking my idea into the opposite direction from everyone else. They have me in sexual poverty while you have me ragging through a vast collection of young females.<br /><br />For me to have sex once a day would require me to have 365 younger wives if I got one pregnant each time (as I've stated to be possible). In addition to that I'd have all those wives past bearing age. Move over Brigham Young.<br /><br />You've said _<br /><br /><i>"This celestial sex and sex only for creatin children view also makes sense for jealous women who to be able to handle, cope with polygamy."</i><br /><br />Yes, talk of polygamy before you marry a woman is one way of acheiving 2 things. One she will reveal her jealous heart (if she has one) and you'll know not to marry her. And 2 she will balk at thew idea because in her heart she wants to rule the home like virtually all women do in reality. So you know not to marry her either.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.com