tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post116855510732294309..comments2023-09-09T02:38:28.265-05:00Comments on LDS (Mormonism) Deep Doctrine: Should a Woman show Cleavage?Doug Towershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-66571366292627554002021-12-13T07:23:56.407-06:002021-12-13T07:23:56.407-06:00God also created the rest of our bodies. Why not j...God also created the rest of our bodies. Why not just walk around naked? If you want a man to look at your face instead of staring at your breasts when he talks to you, don't wear stuff the reveals it. Do you not feel that you are otherwise attractive without showing your breasts? Do you not believe that those standards are to protect you? I feel like I can still attract men without showing my breasts, and so can you, if that is what is at stake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-31448530449368488652020-10-15T19:40:43.693-05:002020-10-15T19:40:43.693-05:00Ok God didn't invent lust, but God allows it t...Ok God didn't invent lust, but God allows it to exist. An all loving God allows a lot of bad things to exist including Satan. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01069249539364174881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-3149266968546643152018-10-03T20:55:17.913-05:002018-10-03T20:55:17.913-05:00I just drank some chamomile tea, so I may be in an...I just drank some chamomile tea, so I may be in an altered state of mind but I personally, have no problem with walking around mostly naked. I feel it is my way to bond with Jesus and Jon smith on a more free and open basis. I subscribe to free the nip. My relationship with God is very strong, thank you for asking. <br />Signed, Sister Caitlin <3Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-44661563991853494582017-03-21T13:34:24.326-05:002017-03-21T13:34:24.326-05:00Aside from religion, there is an appropriate time ...Aside from religion, there is an appropriate time for everything, some in appropriate times would be "family gatherings, church, school,most work sights, funerals,if you are looking for attention by exposing yourself there are those places you can go to do that also, when people start avoiding you might want to reevaluate your exposure!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-90928536600807136182008-08-28T21:52:00.000-05:002008-08-28T21:52:00.000-05:00anonamousWho talked of extremes for our society? I...anonamous<BR/><BR/>Who talked of extremes for our society? If a woman goes to such a country I would strongly advise her (for her OWN saftey) to wear what is worn by women.<BR/><BR/>As sister mary lisa stated in regard the affect cleavage has on men, "as to make cleavage sexy to them."<BR/><BR/>The point is that cleavage creates lustful feelings that aren't conducive to real love. Christ spoke against lusts of the flesh, along with many others. Only bad will come from accepting some evil (regardless of how small WE declare it to be).<BR/><BR/>I would strongly advise caution.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-73068305910770043032008-08-28T12:22:00.000-05:002008-08-28T12:22:00.000-05:00Lets just all move to Iraq and make our women wear...Lets just all move to Iraq and make our women wear burqas then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-1168843237812969482007-01-15T00:40:00.000-06:002007-01-15T00:40:00.000-06:00sister mary lisaThanks for the compliment on the d...sister mary lisa<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the compliment on the depiction.<BR/><BR/>We are eternal beings. God only had our physical body made (by our parents). He didn't give us any qualities. We are what we have made of ourselves before God ever got here, what he helped us become during the spirit time, and what we are making of ourselves now. He is trying to help us, but we are manufacturing ourselves. We have complete and total free agency. And always have had. Anything that is in us we allowed to grow, whether good or evil.<BR/><BR/>Lust has always existed throughout all eternity. No one invented it. It is an opposition to love. A fake love. If you become full of love, you will be devoid of lust.<BR/><BR/>We have weeknesses. But God can help us turn them into strengths. If we are weak with lust, he can make us strong with love. Etc.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-1168839537192443132007-01-14T23:38:00.000-06:002007-01-14T23:38:00.000-06:00I also think God created us all as we are. I thin...I also think God created us all as we are. I think he DID create lust, not Satan. Satan might <I>use</I> our lust to try to tempt us to sin, but lust is there inside us all. Some of us lust after different things, to be sure, but I feel like it's there because God created us that way. He gave us our weaknesses, don't you think? And lust could be one of those weaknesses.<BR/><BR/>And nice mental pic of all the different kinds of breasts you described so well. :) Nice.Sister Mary Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642154849765529070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-1168836225517681522007-01-14T22:43:00.000-06:002007-01-14T22:43:00.000-06:00sister mary lisaI'm sorry to hear that you didn't ...sister mary lisa<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry to hear that you didn't feel good about breast feeding. I guess everyone has different experinces. My wife used to say how good she felt about it all. And how much easier it was than all the people having to prepare bottles.<BR/><BR/>I totally agree with Jordan that each person is responsible for their own actions. It is an interesting thing, because the law regards provoking as an action. If a person provokes a person and they respond with violence, the law regards the violence to be justified (within certain parameters). It regards the provoking to be counted as if the person had struck out first. Yet moral law doesn't make this claim. The person who provokes is guilty of provoking, and the person who is violent is guilty of violence. Neither action justifies the other in any degree.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-1168835287203021572007-01-14T22:28:00.000-06:002007-01-14T22:28:00.000-06:00I deleted my own comment because I felt I was unne...I deleted my own comment because I felt I was unnecessarily harsh on Doug, personally, though I believe the underlying principles are true.Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07139464518228326084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-1168829406764155512007-01-14T20:50:00.000-06:002007-01-14T20:50:00.000-06:00By the way, I never formed a bond with my kids whi...By the way, I never formed a bond with my kids while breastfeeding. It was tedious and frustrating and painful, and not the bliss you described. <BR/><BR/>Also, why did you delete the other guy's comment? I thought his comment was good. He was right in pointing out that men are accountable for their actions, and women should not be blamed if some guy acts on his base urges if he finds a woman attractive.Sister Mary Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642154849765529070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-1168767237204502382007-01-14T03:33:00.000-06:002007-01-14T03:33:00.000-06:00Betty-annI have removed your question as you asked...Betty-ann<BR/><BR/>I have removed your question as you asked me to. I would like to anwser your question, but you didn't leave an email address. If you look toward the top of the main page I have a link for people to go to for asking questions. If you could leave your name, email address and the last name of your good friend (to identify it is you) at that site I can answer you.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-1168745887893220292007-01-13T21:38:00.000-06:002007-01-13T21:38:00.000-06:00sister mary lisaThanks for your comments. It seems...sister mary lisa<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments. It seems to me that God created breasts so that women could form a bond with their children. Also that the child could feel the security of the mother. The baby spends months in the mother's womb. It gets used to the sounds in there, and the feelings of the mother and surroundings. The time of breast feeding gives security to the baby by allowing the child to feel and hear these same things.<BR/><BR/>I, therefore, don't see that God created cleavage, as such, at all. Mankind took what God had created for good and turned it.<BR/><BR/><I>"nor would he have created men in such a way as to make cleavage sexy to them"</I><BR/>What is regarded as sexy is totally in the mind of the individual. Some guys like firm breasts, some floppy, some small, many large, some white, some tanned, some black. It has nothing to do with God creating sexy. God didn't invent lust. Good and evil are eternal principles that existed long before he was God.<BR/><BR/><I>"Women should not be ashamed of their bodies"</I><BR/>Using wisdom in what you wear doesn't constitute shame.<BR/><BR/><I>Some people find eyes enticing.</I><BR/>You are right that no matter how you dress someone can get warped ideas. I think a smart woman would think, "if I were going to walk through a prison yard of rapists, what would be wise to wear"? Because all of those rapists were once out on the streets you walk. One saying I think women should understand is that if you go out "dressed to kill", that could be exactly what happens to you. I hate to be morbid, but the things I say here are more with concern for women as men.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-1168713464150742442007-01-13T12:37:00.000-06:002007-01-13T12:37:00.000-06:00I figure if God didn't appreciate cleavage, he wou...I figure if God didn't appreciate cleavage, he would never have created it in the first place, nor would he have created men in such a way as to make cleavage sexy to them.<BR/><BR/>Some people find eyes enticing. Should everyone cover their eyes in public because some people find them enticing or sexy? <BR/><BR/>Women should not be ashamed of their bodies. Their bodies come from God. They are a temple. We would no more think to cover up the exterior beauty of our beloved temples than we would the exterior beauty of our bodies.Sister Mary Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00642154849765529070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-1168649666850286022007-01-12T18:54:00.000-06:002007-01-12T18:54:00.000-06:00concerned latter-day saintWhich quote didn't you l...concerned latter-day saint<BR/><BR/>Which quote didn't you like, Brother Kimball's, Brigham Young's or Jesus Christ's? Was I in opposition with GAs, God or you?<BR/><BR/>I would ask you, brother, considering were man is on earth religiously, shouldn't we all be accused of having "space doctrine"? Doesn't "fundamentalist" mean not giving way to modern trends?<BR/><BR/>My bishop has read this blog, and some other religious things I've written. one in the stake presidency has read some of those other things also. He was very impressed by one particularly.<BR/><BR/>One thing the church believes in is freedom of opinion. Provided I don't speak in opposition of the principles required to be accepted for baptism, how can my baptism be removed for doctrinal error? Which of the doctrinal requirements do you find me opposing?<BR/><BR/>I appreciate you expressing your opinion. But hopefully we can discuss your areas of concern to come to a better understanding. If you just leave it at this one bomb you dropped no one learns anything.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37212943.post-1168644914661166582007-01-12T17:35:00.000-06:002007-01-12T17:35:00.000-06:00But Doug, forgive me for saying this and this will...But Doug, forgive me for saying this and this will probably be deleted, but aren't you the KING of non-scriptural assumptions?<BR/><BR/>Where I am from, we call the kid of stuff you spout off here "space doctrine". In fact, in my opinion, someone ought to take church disciplinary action against you for preaching false doctrine.<BR/><BR/>In Utah, the doctrine you teach would be more considered aligned with "fundamentalist mormonism"- you know, the sorts that separate themselves from the Church eventually because they think they have more revelation than the prophet and that the Church has "fallen away" and "needs restoring".<BR/><BR/>You are standing on very shaky ground, my friend. Not necessarily in this post on cleavage, but in many, many of the posts I have seen here and elsewhere. Pray that your bishop or stake president never stumble across this blog!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com